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[Alafly]

36磅行不行啊？

kayak一个人划确实比canoe快，而且稳。

和LD提了下买个kayak，一句全家可以一起上船游湖吗？直接枪毙了

kayak不知是否可以装个trolling motor？完全人力太累太累

今天在sail看到一款kayak，build-in 36lb minn kota trolling motor啊！太tm牛逼了，motor直接嵌入船尾，控制器在自己面前，battery case防水，走线也在内部，简直碉堡了，就是有点长，13尺，我住condo，没地方放！折后$1999

[Stradic]

湿鼻大师的yak比较牛逼.

[madfrog]

36磅行不行啊？

kayak一个人划确实比canoe快，而且稳。

和LD提了下买个kayak，一句全家可以一起上船游湖吗？直接枪毙了

kayak不知是否可以装个trolling motor？完全人力太累太累

今天在sail看到一款kayak，build-in 36lb minn kota trolling motor啊！太tm牛逼了，motor直接嵌入船尾，控制器在自己面前，battery case防水，走线也在内部，简直碉堡了，就是有点长，13尺，我住condo，没地方放！折后$1999

36lb对于kayak来讲很够劲了，毕竟水阻小

[白雪丹枫]

关于为啥买 KAYAK, 不买 CANOE, 我个人看法:

CANOE 肯定是有 CANOE 的优势(比如同时坐两到三人等), 但买 KAYAK 一般是看中:

KAYAK 单独一人出行比较方便. KAYAK 价格一般低于 CANOE. 在不加发动机的情况下用浆手划, KAYAK 应当是比 CANOE 更快一些. 另外, 也许 KAYAK 比 CANOE 的在水上稳定性更好一些? (我自己的猜测, 不一定对).

如果是 2 人或 3人一起出行, 而且加发动机, 当然是 CANOE 占优势了.

KAYAK 比 CANOE 的在水上稳定性更好一些?

我觉得kayak稳，见过kayak入海得，没见过canoe。。

也分品牌，可能有些品牌得kayak没有某些品牌的canoe稳，但是总体还是kayak稳

CANOE比KAYAK好的十个主要原因：
http://paddling.about.com/od/paddling10 ... Kayaks.htm


KAYAK比CANOE好的十个主要原因：
http://paddling.about.com/od/paddling10 ... Canoes.htm

KAYAK比CANOE稳定吗？
https://www.google.ca/search?q=is+a+kay ... an+a+canoe

[iamfisherman]

本人使用 kayak 两年，Canoe 两年；

比较两者安全稳定性来说， 个人体会 Kayak 远胜于 Canoe.

可能由于 Canoe 底部呈菱形加上吃水较深的缘故，左右摇摆幅度大于 KAYAK；所以俺的 CANOE 安装了土法制造的平衡器。

Canoe 在水中就像一只碗，而 KAYAK 就像一块木板本身就是一个漂浮物。

Canoe 翻船的几率大于 KAYAK

最重要的是， Canoe 会沉入水中，Kayak 则不会沉

上面有个朋友说， kayak 可以在惊涛骇浪的大海里钓鱼，而 Canoe 只能在风浪不大的河流小湖里

很有道理

[nshen2006]

第一张橡皮艇是电推吗？

[xiaolu]

第一张橡皮艇是电推吗？

对, 是电马达(TROLLING MOTOR)

[xiaolu]

最重要的是， Canoe会沉入水中，Kayak 则不会沉

Canoe会沉入水中，Kayak 则不会沉? 这是实话. 如果一 CANOE 和一 SIT-ON-TOP (SOT) KAYAK 都翻船了, CANOE 有可能进水后就沉入水底了. SOT KAYAK 则永远是漂浮在水面上的(即使翻船以后, 因为 SOT KAYAK 没有地方可装并存放水, SOT KAYAK 里从前到后有好几个从上到下的 SCUPPER HOLE: 排水的孔, 见下图)

[波澜不惊]

CANOE VS KAYAK 感觉很全面
CANOE10大优势
Canoes have more room for gear.
Canoes are more stable.
It is easier to adjust seating positions in canoes.
Canoes can be more comfortable
You can stand up in a canoe.
Canoes keep you dryer when there is water in the boat.
You have a better view from a canoe.
Canoes are easier to get in and out of.
It's more natural to have two people in a canoe than in a tandem kayak.
It's an art to paddle with one blade and water doesn't run down the shaft into your lap.
KAYAK10大优势
Kayaks are easier to paddle solo for beginners.
Kayaks are more manueverable.
Kayaks can keep gear dryer.
Kayaks are faster- 2 blades are better than one!
Kayaks can handle rougher conditions.
Kayaks won't take on water when waves come over the bow.
Kayaks keep the paddler protected from the elements.
Kayaks are lighter to carry and easier to load on a roof rack.
Kayaks have rudders to compensate for wind and currents.
Kayaks allow the paddler to be closer to the water which is a great feeling.

[白雪丹枫]

CANOE VS KAYAK 感觉很全面
CANOE10大优势
Canoes have more room for gear.
Canoes are more stable.
It is easier to adjust seating positions in canoes.
Canoes can be more comfortable
You can stand up in a canoe.
Canoes keep you dryer when there is water in the boat.
You have a better view from a canoe.
Canoes are easier to get in and out of.
It's more natural to have two people in a canoe than in a tandem kayak.
It's an art to paddle with one blade and water doesn't run down the shaft into your lap.
KAYAK10大优势
Kayaks are easier to paddle solo for beginners.
Kayaks are more manueverable.
Kayaks can keep gear dryer.
Kayaks are faster- 2 blades are better than one!
Kayaks can handle rougher conditions.
Kayaks won't take on water when waves come over the bow.
Kayaks keep the paddler protected from the elements.
Kayaks are lighter to carry and easier to load on a roof rack.
Kayaks have rudders to compensate for wind and currents.
Kayaks allow the paddler to be closer to the water which is a great feeling.

谢谢！

稳定性和沉不沉没有五分钱的关系。在CANOE上钓鱼，你可以站起来钓，即使不站在中间，也没有问题。举个例说，两个脚都站在离中线一尺的位置，CANOE不会翻，但KAYAK却未必。很简单的道理，KAYAK船身窄，自然就容易侧翻了。你可以见到很多人站在CANOE上钓鱼，但有几个在KAYAK站的（除非加了平衡器）。要么站长下次把平衡器拆了试试？ 我可是整天站CANOE钓鱼的。

KAYAK出海的原因正是这个。因为它容易操控不会沉。我们都知道海上风浪较大，所以KAYAK更安全。但安全与稳定有五分钱的关系吗？

[madfrog]

第一张橡皮艇是电推吗？

嗯没错是电推。。电动推头刀，也叫电推子。。。

[xiaolu]

KAYAK出海的原因正是这个。因为它容易操控不会沉。我们都知道海上风浪较大，所以KAYAK更安全。但安全与稳定有五分钱的关系吗？

如此说来, KAYAK 也并不是任何优点都没有.....

[xiaolu]

简单的说, 我基本都是一个人单独出行钓鱼, 于是感觉 KAYAK 更方便一些.

如果我时常需要两人(甚至三人)一起出行, 那我肯定是要 CANOE 了, 但必须是加马达. 我没划过 CANOE, 没经验. 但如果是在 CANOE 上, 又没马达, 又是逆风向, 手划浆的话, 我感觉估计比同样情况下手划 KAYAK 更费力 (当然我的感觉可能是完全错误的)

[波澜不惊]

感脚没有坛子里的那位大侠会带着kayak去海里钓鱼，那会是个啥节奏？站长那天去试试？

[madfrog]

CANOE VS KAYAK 感觉很全面
CANOE10大优势
Canoes have more room for gear.
Canoes are more stable.
It is easier to adjust seating positions in canoes.
Canoes can be more comfortable
You can stand up in a canoe.
Canoes keep you dryer when there is water in the boat.
You have a better view from a canoe.
Canoes are easier to get in and out of.
It's more natural to have two people in a canoe than in a tandem kayak.
It's an art to paddle with one blade and water doesn't run down the shaft into your lap.
KAYAK10大优势
Kayaks are easier to paddle solo for beginners.
Kayaks are more manueverable.
Kayaks can keep gear dryer.
Kayaks are faster- 2 blades are better than one!
Kayaks can handle rougher conditions.
Kayaks won't take on water when waves come over the bow.
Kayaks keep the paddler protected from the elements.
Kayaks are lighter to carry and easier to load on a roof rack.
Kayaks have rudders to compensate for wind and currents.
Kayaks allow the paddler to be closer to the water which is a great feeling.

谢谢！

稳定性和沉不沉没有五分钱的关系。在CANOE上钓鱼，你可以站起来钓，即使不站在中间，也没有问题。举个例说，两个脚都站在离中线一尺的位置，CANOE不会翻，但KAYAK却未必。很简单的道理，KAYAK船身窄，自然就容易侧翻了。你可以见到很多人站在CANOE上钓鱼，但有几个在KAYAK站的（除非加了平衡器）。要么站长下次把平衡器拆了试试？ 我可是整天站CANOE钓鱼的。

KAYAK出海的原因正是这个。因为它容易操控不会沉。我们都知道海上风浪较大，所以KAYAK更安全。但安全与稳定有五分钱的关系吗？

很多人站在kayak里也没有stablizer啊，只要安装一个stand up bar即可，一般没人站正是因为没加装那个bar，所以无法借力站起来，而不是不能站！还有一个原因，因为kayak是塑料得，很多情况下需要一个reinforement才能站，不然容易把塑料踩弯，depends on models and makes

在风浪较大时，canoe kayak都不稳，但是kayak较安全
水面平静时，两者都很稳，也就谈不上安全了

[xiaolu]

感脚没有坛子里的那位大侠会带着kayak去海里钓鱼，那会是个啥节奏？站长那天去试试？

我们这里附近没有海啊.

LAKE ONTARIO 安大略湖上, 我 KAYAK 钓过多次.

LAKE SIMCOE (腥母狗)的 120 多尺的深水区, 我 KAYAK 上钓, 次数更多啊...

[madfrog]

感脚没有坛子里的那位大侠会带着kayak去海里钓鱼，那会是个啥节奏？站长那天去试试？

lots of people fish for 200lb saltwater fish in a kayak，like marlin or shark，big catch will drag them further into the ocean but they seem to enjoy

not in this forum？cause there is no ocean and 站长 does visit lake ontario a few times

[波澜不惊]

感觉canoe可以带上一个3口之家，ld批准的可能性大些；
貌似canoe也有不会沉的类型：看着类似kayak的材质，不会沉？不懂
http://www.basspro.com/Mad-River-Canoe- ... 240531476/

[madfrog]

感觉canoe可以带上一个3口之家，ld批准的可能性大些；
貌似canoe也有不会沉的类型：看着类似kayak的材质，不会沉？不懂
http://www.basspro.com/Mad-River-Canoe- ... 240531476/

会沉得，至少翻船了你很难给他翻回来，因为水会进船舱

[xiaolu]

感觉canoe可以带上一个3口之家，ld批准的可能性大些；
貌似canoe也有不会沉的类型：看着类似kayak的材质，不会沉？不懂
http://www.basspro.com/Mad-River-Canoe- ... 240531476/

你楼上的链接的 BPS 的那个是细长的可努(CANOE). 说是 CANOE, 但形状更类似 SOT (SIT-ON-TOP) KAYAK, 估计也不错:

[iamfisherman]

俺以前在大西洋使用过KAYAK ,个人体会：KAYAK是不惧风浪的；因为它本身是个漂浮物，感觉就像过山车一样，很过瘾。记得当时的心理是希望风浪更大些。

当然，这需要克服心理因素， 就像有的人不敢坐过山车，有的人喜欢坐一个道理。

稳定性好就不容易翻船，CANOE和KAYAK 漂浮的原理似乎不同，所以稳定性不同；

说到翻船， 俺在两者上都翻过落水，KAYAK是试验性翻船，再爬上来就是了；

Canoe翻船眨眼的功夫就沉底了，幸好当时水浅，可系 上绳子几个人都拖不动在水底的CANOE,如果水深就别想要了

感脚没有坛子里的那位大侠会带着kayak去海里钓鱼，那会是个啥节奏？站长那天去试试？

[iamfisherman]

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